Showfolks of Sarasota - Reader's Comments

Again, I read all the comments from various young and old circus staff and fans of the circus. It is noted there had been two meetings in March 2006. What was said or stated regarding the Showfolks.org website is not known or talked about?. As far as I can see nothing had been done to solve this silly thing regarding the great Web Site that gave out information regarding Circus in our Great Country the United States of America, and other Countries that are involved the Circus. (Lets hear something about the Web Site) Thank You for listening...

With all the organizations having membership and money problems, you would think that they would stay in contact with each other.

I hope you keep open the website. It is one way to stay in contact. I am not a member of the Showfolks. I have not lived in Sarasota since the fifties. But it is good to know what is going on there. I was on the Ringling Show from 1953 to 1956 and worked for the Front Door and Ticket Departments as well as on Ring stock in 1953.

I found the Showfolks website closing while searching for Buckles Woodcocks blog, which if you have not seen is a must. I'm not surprised that the club is unable to maintain such an innovative thing as a website. Closing this resource is like the death of a friend. The club is run by people who have lost touch with the rest of the world. Why can't the meetings be run in a blog format for those still on the road, those people who have computers on the road. Cell phones can connect your computer to the internet, and I know everyone in Circus has a cell phone unless your retired and not trying to book your trade. The club should be run by active members of the performing circus arts, and not members of the olde guard of artists who's time has past. Don't get me wrong I respect those in circus who have come before me, but if we don't grab the future by the horns we will be left on the arena floor.

Subject:	Showfolks Membership & Website
Date:	Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:22:44 EST
From:	RRocinwells@cs.com

I have been a member of our club for over 20 years, and am currently on the board of directors. I am amazed and thrilled, for the first time in probably the history of our club we have stirred up controversy with members of our club over comments about the web site. It wasn't our intention, but it is nice to see, and hopefully those people really care about our club and not just the web site. Please don't lose interest! My husband, myself, and family pretty much try to attend all socials and meetings at the club. However, most of the time it is pretty sad how many people show up. On Saturday night sometimes there might be only 3 cars, the bartender, the President, and ours. Seeing this I decided to get involved and run for the board, foolishly thinking that I along with other board members could maybe bring life back into a one of a kind, most unique club in the world! But so far the only thing we have accomplished is creating an uproar over the website. If only half of the people commenting on the website would attend the club socials and meetings, we would have standing room only! For those of you members who are upset about the outcome of our general membership meeting, you should have attended. Our meetings are no secret and if you are a member, the schedule of our meetings are in our newsletter and basically are the same time every month. For those of you who are not members of our club and have offered an opinion, please join! Help keep this unique club alive! Don't get me wrong, I am all for modern technology, however the club wasn't built to sit open for a few dedicated members to stop by for a drink, or to be photographed so the pictures can be put on the website. It is a meeting place for that rare fraternity of Showfolks and fans. If the club dies so does the website! Sincerely,

Cindy Herriott Wells, Second Vice President, Showfolks of Sarasota

Subject:	Closure of Showfolks website
Date:	Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:57:49 +0000 (GMT)
From:	Maureen Carter <maureencarter01@yahoo.co.uk>

How saddened I was to see the Showfolks website closed. I came to live in Cyprus in 2003 after 20 years working with Zippos Circus in the UK. There is no tradition of Circus here in Cyprus and to date only one show has come to the Island, we were very lucky to see Circus Medrano ( Italy ) in September of last year. I was at a great loss and missed the Circus very much, talking of the many shows and people I had met along the way I still felt it was a life I wanted to be part of so made the step and bought a laptop having no knowledge of their workings of modern technology! For those who don't have one, as well as being a great tool for business they are a mindful of information.

Every week I spend a couple of hours looking at the many websites on the Circuses around the world to see what's happening and where the shows are playing, ( C I R C U S keys are wearing thin ). Showfolks being one of them and a very good site. Where, what, whoever in their right mind would want for it to close! Please reconsider this closure of the Showfolks site and let it go from strength to strength with positive input and feedback, so much pleasure is given to those who are unable for whatever reason to visit shows and Showfolks. I was lucky enough to have visited Showfolks in Sarasota a few years back where I met and talked to many people who had interests and involvements in the Circus business, am sure they are all feeling somewhat sad at the closure. Warm regards,

Maureen Carter

I, Anthony R. Maroney, have read all the e-mail comments sent to Showfolks' webmaster. I do believe some people can over rule a good thing, and they did not get other Showfolks' opinions with regard to shutting down the web site. The web site is a good source of communication through out our GREAT COUNTY, and also outside of our country. Lets not make fools out of this: (DO NOT SHUT DOWN THE WEB SITE)

I am a nephew of showman Jack Bonham Moore, the long-time owner of Carson & Barnes. I am a writer, and many of my published tales center on my time trouping with Jack's show. Most recently, I penned a story that was unusual for me, because it is a lament -- something foreign to the sparkle and laughter that are hallmarks the American Circus. The story is a remembrance of the times when most great shows toured under canvas, and of the realization that those times were fleeting. Little by little, many of the great caravans have died. They did not meet their end by a sudden careless hand. What fell upon them was the slow tide of ambivalence, the droll tones of computer games, and the barrage of televised alternatives. In some ways, we all had part in killing them -- for taking such talent for granted, and for forgetting the values that formed around our own youth.

Now, it seems, Showfolks has come to crossroads. To the left is the circus graveyard. To the right is a path that continues to celebrate a cherished past. Let us travel with the spirit worth keeping. It is too easy to release the strings of the remaining balloons.

These are a few lines from my story, "The Bottom of the Top." "The memory of the scent of wet hay mingled with cotton candy can still kindle my senses and liven my heartbeat. For a handful of nickels, anyone could enter through Alice�s looking glass. Small children would cup their eyes and strain them to the pinnacle of the canvas, where the daring took flight on those narrow bars. Tiny mouths hung open as a fearless man held court before a pride of snarling cats�each intent on reclaiming their mastery at his slightest mistake."

Lad Moore, Jefferson, TX, pogo@shreve.net

Subject:	Re: Showfolks Website
Date:	Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:55:41 EST
From:	Jayel2m@aol.com

Contrary to one Showfolks officer's e-mail message directed to a Showfolks member stating "SOME PEOPLE LOVE TO SEE THEIR NAME ON THE WEB....OVER AND OVER", I did not submit a comment pertaining to Showfolks website to see my name in print.. Heck, I can type my name and look at all day long, if I want. Since I also own a couple of printing companies, I could also print my name in many places, if I wanted. But, this is not my need, or cause.

It is recognized, you have to drag some people into the 21st Century, screaming and yelling with resistance. For those of us who use a Computer, we have taken a big step. Many of us are Old Farts, but we have still taken that big step. Many people fear the unknown, the new, and things they are ignorant about. For all of us who have taken the step, we know the power of and opportunities presented by computers.

I was thinking a few days ago, what would some of the old timers think about the Internet? What would they think about being able to send a letter to the other side of the world in 2 seconds? What would they think of typing an instant message, and getting one back in seconds? You can find anything in the world you are looking for on the Internet, and I mean ANYTHING. It is all immediately available. A website is the best thing any organization could have, even Showfolks. Many people are retired, or perhaps live someplace else. They can't go to the Showfolks Club for one reason or another, but they are still interested to know what is going on in the business. I am no longer in the business, but I like to know what is going on, and how everyone is getting along. I hope Showfolks Website gets back up and into operation. It can be very informative for everyone who visits. If I can help in any way, I will be happy to do so. Thanks...

John Lewis, Formerly Lewis Bros./Hoxie Bros, Past Showfolks Member

I was very sad to here that the website is no longer. I have been in show business all my life and recently got off the road and moved to Frederick Maryland with my husband Mike & two boys Michael & Matthew. I miss the business terribly, as we all do once we are no longer involved. However most of all I miss my friends, the website and E- mails through our technology of the computer is one of the things that have kept me feeling like I still am involved with events going on in the business and with my friends. From many comments I have read about the closing of the website, I am not the only one who feels this way. All the new generation of circus performers use all the latest technology, finding everything on the web including the Showfolks website. It is in the clubs best interest that you keep the site open for the new generation to learn & get to know the past generation and to also keep an interest in the Showfolks club. However most importantly keep it open for us, the ones that love the business and though we are no longer on the road we still want to know "what is going on in the backyard"!

Subject:	Comment from John Exton
Date:	Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:05:47 EST
From:	john.exton1@ntlworld.com

My wife and I were at the meeting being discussed. What a "circus". The people who want to close the website appear to believe that the webmaster is making some ridiculous profit for this undertaking. We understand, this is not the case. We hope and pray the membership, both old and young, will get this resolved, or there will be NO Showfolks in the future. The powers who are running the club currently must communicate with and listen to those of us who will run it in the future. The circus has changed, and we have to change with it. If the current officers and directors do not understand this, then close the show. Worldwide, people are asking for the website to be kept open. We join them with this request, no matter the outcome. The webmaster should certainly be proud of the job accomplished for Showfolks. We pray he continues. Thank you.

I have been a member of Showfolks Club for sixteen years and no one asked for my opinion regarding closing our website. There was no notice to the membership of a vote to be taken on the subject, which implies a dictatorship. As others have stated, Showfolks Club is a well-kept secret that many more people would be interested in with a little, good PR program. The website has provided a breakthrough and should be continued if the Club and Circus is to thrive. We, children of all ages, love everything circus. Keep the website. It's vital to the world knowing about the Circus Capital. Life is a Circus!

Elizabeth Stewart, Venice, Fl, Performer, Showfolks Voting Member 17 Years

Greetings from "Sidesplitters" Gold Coast Australia. Our organization is akin you yours being professional entertainers, musicians and circus performers. We like to keep in touch with your members by e/mail from addresses on the website. Many of them correspond back to us exchanging ideas beneficial to the industry on both sides of the Pacific. If you get rid of your website, we look forward to you posting (snail mail) the information to us and then you will really know the costs of postage which will far exceed the lousy $300.00 just to keep your members ( and other interested parties round the world) informed of happenings. People were frightened of electricity when it first came in. It seems some of those are still members of your organization.

Subject:	Fw: Re: CLOSED WEBSITE
Date:	Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:07:43 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From:	Trudy Strong <trudy.strong@verizon.net>

Unfortunately I am unable to find the email I sent to the club (Showfolks of Sarasota, Inc) secretary objecting to closing the web site, but this is the answer I received, and I resent it. Just because people can not make it to the meeting does not mean they do not support the club. I AM NOT A "BACK SEAT DRIVER".

Trudy Strong, Showfolks Voting Member 5 years

From: Fatima Brahim <Oujed@aol.com> (Showfolks' Secretary - Voting Member 18 years)

Date: 02/17/06 08:29:48

To: trudy.strong@verizon.net (Member); marnosi@comcast.net (Showfolks' President): thefox@mymailstation.com (Showfolks' VP)

I have forwarded your message to the President and Vice President. If you were at the Membership meeting, you would have heard that the majority of our members are not interested in the web. These members are the people who support the club, NOT the backseat drivers.

From: Trudy Strong

Date: 02/17/06 00:46:57

To: secretary@showfolks.org; copy: webmaster

Subject:	Closing Showfolks Website
Date:	Tue, 24 Feb 2006 12:15:55 -0600 (CST)
From:	<dasbrew@verizon.net>

Subject: CLOSED WEBSITE

To the new "Administration" of Showfolks, Closing down the Showfolks Website is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Here was a chance to show our unique club, probably the only one in existence, to the whole world and you have thrown it away. What in the world are you thinking. This was something we could all be proud of.
The Strongs

Footnote to Webmaster: I have always felt the first thing we need at membership meetings is a "sergeant of arms", to keep order. Trudy Strong

Subject: Closing Showfolks Website

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2006 12:15:55 -0600 (CST)

From: <dasbrew@verizon.net>

It is a shame that just because a select few of our members either do not own a computer, or do not understand the importance and convenience a web site has to offer, would cause them to vote it out. I was one of the few at that meeting that voiced my opinion against closing down the website to no avail. It seems that when the Vice President wants something done there are no options other than hers. What I witnessed at that meeting was a very childish exhibition of yelling at the members, and also intimidating a fellow board member. This display truly embarrassed me to be a member of Showfolks so my family and I walked out. I think that if you serve as a board member, or Vice President, you should not only respect everyone, but also lead by example. I did not know that Showfolks was a Dictatorship led by the Vice President. I think that if this trend continues, in the not so distant future, there will be no more Showfolks and that will be a true shame. I hope that the rest of the Board and membership will re-examine this issue and continue with the website. Thanks.

Jeffrey Bruski, Showfolks Voting Member 7 Years

Subject:

Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment

Date:

Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:42:24 -0800

From:

<bigtop@kellymillercircus.com>

Organization:

Kelly Miller Circus

Close down the website????? Are you nuts!!!!!

David Rawls, Kelley Miller Circus, Showfolks Voting Member 23 Years

Subject: Re: Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:14:43 -0500

From: JACKIELECLAIRE@webtv.net (Jackie LeClaire)

As I got up and said at the membership meeting on Wed. Feb. 15., " I think the Showfolks Website is a good thing for the club and a great PR". I add now, I also believe it adds so much prestige to an already creditable organization. I did not make the motion to close the website. I made no motion, but when the motion was made to close the site, I voted in favor of it, just for the sake of stopping all the bickering and heavy argument that was taking place at the meeting and was dividing the members into separate enemy camps. In retrospect, I should have made a motion to table the website discussion ( of which it wasn't) to a later date when research, and more accurate information was available. Here I am, a "Monday Morning Quarterback", but that would have been the thing to do as several members had already walked out of the meeting. One of the board members even kept standing up and shouting opinions. I have no idea if that comes under Robert's Rules of Order. but it certainly came across in a dictatorship style of delivery. I see no reason, when things quite down, and information is correctly given, why the website could not once again be voted in with most of everyone's agreement. A vote is just an opinion, and everyone has a right to one. Whether the vote opinion agrees with yours or not should certainly have nothing to do with your personal relationship with that person. We are all, in our own way, trying to do what we think is right for the club. In most cases, only time will tell. Remember the television series, was it a radio show I think called "Town Hall Tonight". It always started with the quote: "I MAY DISAGREE WITH YOUR OPINION, BUT I WILL DEFEND TO MY DEATH YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT".

Jackie LeClaire, Showfolks Charter Member 41 Years

Subject:Re: Closing of Showfolks Website

From: KKeller848@aol.com

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:03:53 EST

Once again, those of us that see the future, and understand the technology and its place in the future, are screwed again by those that do not understand! While I am not a current member of Show folks of Sarasota, and do not have a say in the decisions of the club, I do not agree with the Boards decision to shut the website down. Way to go! I hope it saves the club a great deal of money.

I am not a member of Show folks of Sarasota because of the lack of projection and planning for the future. What has this club done to extend the life of the circus as we know it today? Stop living in the past people, and start looking to the future and how we as a group can protect the business that is viable today. Change is inevitable.......if you don't change you will Die!!!!

Respect the performers of yesteryear, honor them with complements and fond memories, but do not forsake what they endured to keep the circus alive in their era. Do what you can NOW to honor your families and friends that have devoted their entire lives to this business.

Respectfully, Kimball Keller

Subject: Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:47:32 -0800

From: Donn Moyer <djmoyer55@amerion.com>

We don't belong to Showfolks of Sarasota because we live on the west coast. It's incredible in this day and age to learn that a web site with so much to offer "kinkers" and the public is going to be removed from the Internet. If the reason is the $300.00, for Pete's sake, there must be someone who can come up with the money. That seems like a ridiculous reason. If the reason is because "some of the members don't have computers" that is about as silly as to say a member can't come to club activities because they have no car.

I'm 73, and was able to learn how to use the computer. And because of this, I was able to author two books we self published and have sold in 8 countries. I would never have been able to do that much writing on a typewriter and the Internet provided a myriad of ways to help in 6 years of research needed to get the books done. Computers, like it or not, have replaced "snail" mail, and even telephones in many cases, because e-mail is so available and free to everyone in the entire world. As retired kinkers who have traveled with many shows, and the former owners of Delano Society Circus, I find the idea that a showfolk's club would be taking their web site down is like moving in reverse. Incredible. You expect younger people to join, and one day be in charge, I wonder how many would think it's a club run by "old fogies", who are so far out of touch with reality that they don't have a web site.

Several years ago when there was a pernicious law in regard to making it ILLEGAL for circuses or any type show to have elephants, and for that matter any "exotic" animal. It was Internet access that we all used to defeat the bill. Thanks also to RBB&B as they had offices with attorneys maintained in Seattle. I personally spent 3 days on the computer helping to defeat the proposed law.

One of the sad issues these days is the complacency of show folks, and the lack of banding together to form cohesive groups to try and save the circus industry in the USA. Looks like some in the Showfolks of Sarasota fall into that category. On the subject of "sticking together", e-mails were sent out to all shows whose e-mail addresses we could locate that have animals, and all performers who use animals asking for their help in defeating the anti animal bill in Seattle by just writing a letter. The response and interest was minimal and very discouraging. When a small group of people with the supposed "like" interests want to remove a web site that is such a vital part of communicating with members, other show people, and those interested in circuses across the world, it brings back to mind the lack of interest by many show people in defeating the Seattle bill.

You at the Showfolks of Sarasota have the opportunity to be a radiant beacon of communicating the well being of the circus in America to all the world. Too bad such an opportunity is being missed. Thank you for the opportunity of venting my spleen when we are not members, nor any longer involved in the circus world. It is still something we love.

Donn and Nancy Moyer, WILD WEST PUBLISHING, P. O. Box 8261

Tacoma, Washington 98418 - www.wa.net/~djmoyer/cowboy.htm

Subject: Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:28:22 EST

From: HAPPYTUNES@aol.com

To Whom It May Concern

While I am not a member of Showfolks, and do not live in the Sarasota area, I have been in the business most of my life and have seen many changes. To close this web site is just another example of the business trying to stay in the dark ages. Times have changed, the business has changed. While it is true that some people in the club may not be computer literate, many are, and if the club and for that mater the Circus is to survive it must be accessible to members and friends for support and fellowship. This web site is just another way to achieve this goal. I feel that it was well done and represents the good qualities of the club and allows people all over the world to see that the Circus is still alive in the USA and in touch with the times. To shut down this web site would be like believing you can move a show on horse and wagon today. You have to keep up with the times - COMPUTERS ARE HERE TO STAY! Good luck and best wishes,

Marsha Hunt Jones

Subject:	Showfolks Website - Comments
Date:	Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:11:24 +1100
From:	PERRY <perry@lm.net.au>

Subject: Showfolks Website - Comments

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:11:24 +1100

From: PERRY <perry@lm.net.au>

Hello from Murray Bridge South Australia
Sad to hear about Showfolks web site closing down hope someone can do something to save it.

Robert Perry, The Perry Circus Family Australia

Subject: Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment

Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:51:30 EST

From: Jayel2m@aol.com

I find it hard to understand, that a group such as Showfolks of Sarasota would close down the website. Circus people travel. They travel constantly, because their work requires it. The web is like instant news. There are wireless connections using a laptop. You can go to almost any Hotel lobby, book store, or any Starbucks and get an instant wireless connection to the Internet.

I remember when I was on the road years ago, and having to use a payphone all day long. Now there is the Cell Phone. People got used to using the cell phone instantly. Almost every Circus person has a cell phone. The Computer is the same way. It is mobile. You no longer need a telephone line to get a signal.

The Internet is accessible around the world, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and what's more, it is free. This is the future. I purchased showfolks.com some time back. It is just sitting there dormant at present, but can be activated if necessary. My business these days depends on the internet and the telephone a great deal. I also travel a lot. I take my laptop with me, because I can check my email and my business anytime of the day or night.

Skip has done a wonderful job with the website, and $300 per year is CHEAP hosting. That is less than $1 a day. If people like me can learn how to use the computer, anyone can learn. Today an 8 or 10 year old child is very proficient at operating the computer. An older person can also do it with the determination. I learned through trial and error, as did many of you.

I hope you will decide to keep the web site, and welcome to the twenty first century!

John Lewis, Formerly Lewis Bros./Hoxie Bros, Past Showfolks Member

Subject:

Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment

Date:

Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:25:11 -0500

From:

<rthorn@sccoast.net>

I haven't lived in Sarasota for years, but I do check out the website quite often to see what is going on at the club etc. The cost to keep the site on is very reasonable. If money is the problem, then the people running the club are not paying attention to business.

Roberta Maynard, Gaylord Maynard's Sister

Subject: Closing Down Showfolks Website
From: "Mary Oliver" <MOLIVER4@Tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:35 +0000

An absolute dynamite site for all Fans and show people. Please keep it going.

Mary Neon Oliver

Subject: Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment

Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:51:40 EST

From: Jvr2626@aol.com

Surprise !!! Wonderful dinner promising a great year for Showfolks followed by a major disaster; canceling the web site. I can't imagine a major step like this being taken without any discussion or concern for the general membership. Hopefully it will be reconsidered, and come back even better.

Jim & Angie Rhoney, Showfolks Voting Member 5 years

Subject:	Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment
Date:	Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:22:55 EST
From:	Dietertasso@aol.com

Hi! It is a terrible Shame to close the Website just because some Members do not own a computer! Today, Life is run by Computers, whether you have one or not. There was Worldwide interest in our Club because of it. Sorry its over! Or is it?

Dieter Tasso, Showfolks Member since the 1st Day

Subject:	Web Site Closing
Date:	Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:20:09 +0000
From:	fswq@att.net

To Whom it May Concern:

After recently returning from Monte Carlo and speaking with many of our circus friends, performers, and directors, it was mentioned many times how great the Showfolks of Sarasota website was. They felt they could keep in touch with family, friends, and keep a finger on the pulse of circus in the US. It truly saddens us to learn that this is all dissolved because some of the members do not have computers or are not interested. We totally agree with the response sent by Ellian Rosaire as she told our feelings so very well. We strongly urge our officers and board members to reconsider their decision. In rethinking, remember our shut ins, snow birds, and elderly who do not get out for most of the events as well as all those on the road. Thank you for your consideration.

Susan and Fred Menke, Showfolks Voting Members 22 Years

Subject:	Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment
Date:	Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:54:48 GMT
From:	James Cole <jscolecircus@webtv.net>

I just recently joined the Showfolks Club, and living quite a ways from Sarasota, (St. Cloud, FL) I found your website very handy to keep up with the club events. I am too new into the club and too far out of the Sarasota main stream to make any real comments. I do enjoy your club and the people who go there, web site or not.

Jim Cole , CFA, St. Cloud FL, Showfolks Voting Member 1 Year

Subject:	Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment
Date:	Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:25:51 -0500
From:	Diane Brown <DianeLea@comcast.net>

For those who are concerned for whatever reason, and those who never looked at the Showfolks website, as stated on the bottom of the Homepage of the site, � Website and webpage development property of M. Skip Doyle� . Lets break down the sentence. Website development property of M. Skip Doyle, and Webpage development property of M. Skip Doyle. That does not mean the website domain (name and registration) belongs to Mr. Doyle. Any person with the expertise can develop the website according to whatever the �membership� wants to see. But, sadly the membership supposedly voted to close down this growing and valuable asset to those out of town, on the other side of our country, and the world. Mistakes have been made, but then corrected. Maybe, the result of last weeks Membership Meeting was a mistake. I hope someone will pick up the ball and convince the membership that a correction can be made. If not, so be it. Now, maybe the new and unique board can concentrate on the business of running the club without distraction.

Diane Brown, Past Secretary and Showfolks Board Member - Showfolks Voting Member 21 years

(Please reference my December 4th explanation regarding website costs that have been verbally repeated out of context)

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:09:38 -0500
From:	Diane Brown <DianeLea@comcast.net>

It has come to my attention, the current membership of Showfolks of Sarasota is under the impression the $350 fee paid to the firm that hosts the website annually is payment to the webmaster for the upkeep and maintenance of the site. I want to make it quite clear that the money does not go to the �Webmaster�. For a year and half he has been doing this gratis, pro bono, free. Perhaps the incoming Board of Directors can see fit to look beyond Lockwood Ridge Road into what is the Internet and the most viable means of communicating what our club is about, what is going on at any given time, and many more ideas. We have had four deaths of members in the last week, this could be a way of communicating this information in a timely fashion.

Diane Brown, Secretary, Temporary Treasurer, Member - Showfolks Board of Directors, Showfolks Voting Member 21 years

Subject:	Showfolks Website Closing Comments
Date:	Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:42:53 EST
From:	CircusPretzelMan@aol.com

I was unable to attend this past meeting as planned. As a past Board Member I was very shocked and sad upon reading on my computer (at 1:45am), that the website was to be closed. I don't recall any discussion about this at my last board meeting, or any other time. What is the reason, and how can the president & few people decide an issue like this without advance notice and membership approval? We are always looking for members (really younger ones to carry on as many of us are in an older age) YOUNG people live on computers and if show kids happen to see SF Web Site with interesting features, they may want to come to the club. The site should be of interest to ALL and not just meeting news, etc. ENTERTAINING -INTERESTING- INVITING isn't that what show people &showbiz is all about? That is what Showfolks Club should BE. I hope enough people will voice their opinions as I have, and can override the closing of the site, and continue it. I think the club is kept too low key, and I am sure a lot of people (show +) don't even know it is there? I even have been told it was closed yrs ago? I am not a typist so better get to bed as it is going for 3:00am.

Henry R. Bush, Former Showfolks Director, Showfolks Voting Member 41 Years

Subject:	The Closing of Showfolks of Sarasota Website...
Date:	Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:36:15 EST
From:	DIMEWILSON@aol.com

It is a shame that because of a few people the web site is now history. Some members did leave the meeting disgusted with the whole affair. Some had tried to give their opinion to no avail, so they left to. Leaving made it easier to get a negative vote so they should have waited. Honestly, I cannot tell you how many were for, or how many were not, as the raise of hands were never counted. I really think that is an illegal vote. I will probably attend the club only when my sisters come down for a dinner. I made the right decision to stay off the board. Right now I am a little depressed. Skip did a great job on the site.

Penny Wilson, Past Assistant VP, Showfolks Board Member, Showfolks Voting Member 26 Years

Subject:	The Closing of Showfolks of Sarasota Website...
Date:	Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:21:24 EST
From:	BUNNIB1@aol.com

How sad that less than a majority of the active members of Showfolks of Sarasota were able to make the decision to keep us in the Dark Ages and discontinue the Showfolks of Sarasota Website, rather than discuss and decide how to make the Website better. When Comments were requested, on the Website, as to keeping the Website, I saw not a single negative reply. Yet, I understand, at the last membership meeting, and I quote from one who attended,

"by the way NONE of the members want this web site....NONE. apparently it was ..... and Mr. .....'. idea???"

Obviously, having not been at the meeting, due to ill health, I rely on, and trust, the integrity of my close friends when they pass on the information as to what transpires at the meetings. I care very much what happens to "Showfolks of Sarasota" but not at the expense of health or friendship. I do hope the new officers and board of directors will continue to work, as the past officers and board members have, with the total membership in mind. We have a wonderful and unique club. Let us not destroy it from within. "just one persons opinion"

Bunni Bartok, Showfolks Voting Member 39 Years

Subject: WEBSITE IS CLOSED from Ellian Rosaire

From: "ELLIAN ROSAIRE" <rideapony@msn.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:00:49 -05

To all concerned, Hello everyone. I know I don't see any of you very often as I am pretty busy operating our businesses. We don't get to visit Showfolks much these days but always enjoy ourselves when we do. It is a very special place to us as I practically grew up there and now it is a place where I can visit with friends, dance with my wonderful husband, Kazimierz, and feel comfortable because my children are also made welcome there.

I'm sorry that I was unaware of the situation regarding the website as I would have made an effort to save it. Even though many of you may not be computer savvy, there are those of us who have learned to make great use of it's convenience. Many times I have checked the Showfolks website for information, and I have always been happy to find what I needed at the touch of my fingertips. Most of the performers of my generation and younger now make use of computers and internet service on a daily basis.

The website could be visited by anyone, anywhere in the world, and even though Showfolks is a "private" club, the website gave out no "private" information. The fact that performers who are working on the other side of the world could actually go online and in a matter of seconds be in touch with what is happening at home is invaluable.

We can keep our generations-old traditions of circus intact while still embracing the technology of the day. Many performers have laptop computers which travel with them and are an important part of both their business and personal lives. Now that we have wireless internet available, there is no limit to what we can do in the way of computer use.

Rather than close the website, perhaps it would have been better to establish a more complete e-mail data base, and add an online newsletter and e-mail alerts for important events , or even an emergency contact alert. I remember countless moments of anxiety while trying to contact someone on the road for either happy or sad reasons. Calling small-town police stations and trying to convince them to send someone to the fairgrounds to give a performer an urgent message to call home so we can tell them of some family member's illness or accident. Or calling the arena box office and hoping that someone will be brave enough to go out the back door where all those scary circus animals are, to tell a performer to call their agent right away.

I'm not trying to insult anyone who doesn't make use of the internet. I'm just saying that I think that for the small cost involved in running a website, I think it has immeasurable value. The time and money involved in maintaining the site would be more than worth it if you were sitting in your trailer between shows at a civic center in Indiana when the performer parked next to you knocks on your door to tell you she just got an alert through the Showfolks website to contact your son regarding the birth of your first grandchild! This is just my opinion, if there is anything I can do to help resurrect the website, let me know. Love to all of you.

Ellian Rosaire, Showfolks Member

P.S. I would personally like to thank Skip Doyle for doing such a wonderful job.

Subject:	Showfolks CLUB
Date:	Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:25:00 -0500
From:	Pete and Shirley Adams <circusp@comcast.net>

I am sorry to hear of the vote to drop the website for the Showfolks Club. I have no vote but question their communication link needs.

Pete Adams, Showfolks Associate Member 4 Years
Southern Vice President Circus Fans Association of America, www.circusfans.org, Circus Adams

Subject:	closing of web site
Date:	Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:20:35 EST
From:	CircusUnit@aol.com

What a shame to close the web site of the club. For those of us who are ''up north'', we now lose a contact with our club and our friends!!!!!! Too bad more of us members didn't know about this before action was taken.

Jack M. Beebe, Showfolks Voting Member 7 Years
33 Roy Avenue, Massapequa, NY 11758, phone/fax 516-541-2052, cell phone 516-729-4409, jackmbeeebe@aol.com

Subject:	Closing Down Showfolks Website - Comment
Date:	Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:28:53 EST
From:	Bevbergero@aol.com

Skip: I sent the following to the Sec. of the Showfolks: Secretary: I'm not a member of Showfolks, but attend many of the events that it sponsors. We live in Orlando and would be a member if we lived a little closer. Since I am a full time professional entertainer/ promoter and started in a tent show as a teenager, I am very close to the members and the Showfolks organization. The web site keeps me informed as to what is going on there: The Trade Show, auction, circus, etc. If Ringling gets their wish and relocates in Sarasota, the Showfolks web site will play a major part for them. Thank you for allowing me to keep in touch with my friends. See you down the road.

Bev Bergeron, Bev@BevBergeron.com, www.BevBergeron.com

Subject:	Showfolks Website Closing Comments
Date:	Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:06:17 -0500
From:	Ed Sheehan / Ray Swiess <tuffiisdads@comcast.net>

Showfolks Board of Directors closing down the website show the mentality of it membership in charge.

Ed Sheehan, Past Showfolks Director, Showfolks Voting Member 3 Years

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:50:11 -0500
From:	William Rodgers <piratestreasurecove@ij.net>

I don't get to check it as much as I would like too. But I think that it is a important to have a website. I have used it to look upcoming events and just now printed my Absentee Ballot as there was none in my newsletter as stated.

Bill Rodgers, Showfolks Voting Member 38 Years

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:11:22 -0800 (PST)
From:	BARBARA HOFFMANN <barbaraehoffmann@yahoo.com>

HI! I just found this web site! I think it's great! We have been away from Fl for an awful long time and I think this is a great place to catch the 'dish'. If this web site stays, we would love to join the club although we may not physically be there with you. Please advise if you will be keeping the web site!

Barbara Hoffman, Potential Member

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:03:30 -0500
From:	Diane Brown <DianeLea@comcast.net>

No, and here is an additional reason not to even think about it. Showfolks Annual Circus held at The Sarasota Agricultural Fair Association Arena yesterday was outstanding, awesome, and hundreds of people young and old, townies, and professionals packed the evening show. My congratulations go out to the gracious performers and those in the background who put on one of the most memorable programs in over twenty years that I have been honored to have membership in this organization. Too bad we cannot put aside all of the prejudice and animosity and accomplish great things in keeping Showfolks of Sarasota the Social Club it was meant to be. GREAT JOB to everyone, I dare not list names or will surely miss someone.

Diane L. Brown (Showfolks Voting Member 21 years)

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:36:11 EST
From:	Midwayman2@aol.com

No, the website should NOT be discontinued. I often look it over for new items. I think it is SUPER important that it keeps going. We need all the exposure we can get. From the Newsletters, it would seem that you guys do not always see eye to eye, that needs to stop; we are all in this together.

Jerry Coombs (Showfolks Member)

Subject:

Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?

Date:

Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:37:04 EST

From:

DIMEWILSON@aol.com

We definitely need to keep Showfolks website. This is today�s method to communicate information. Showfolks website is colorful, yet done in good taste containing appropriate and interesting content. This website has so much potential it would be a shame to see it disappear because a few people do not understand today�s technology, nor do they understand the value.

There have been over 4,500 visits so far, not all of these people are members of Showfolks, however they are individuals who are interested in the Circus. These people represent those who have a desire to and can help show folks to keep the circus alive. They can assist to challenge animal activists when correctly informed. By limiting Showfolks website to club only related information, it will not be possible to keep Friends of the Circus interested. Everybody needs accurate input to overcome misinformation that is sometimes circulated. Personally, I visit many websites. Some are interesting, and many boring. When I visit a website, and it is not interesting with pictures and information, I do not return!

Anyone who has anything that might be interesting to visitors who take the time to view Showfolks website should be offered ability to submit it to the Webmaster for evaluation to determine if appropriate to be used within. Gossip should be totally unacceptable. Stories about show people�s lives, and circuses, that have not been published else ware, might be considered. So far, Showfolks website has illustrated nothing but positive appropriate information, and I would like to see this site continued. Those who might disagree need to get with the times. A lot of hours have been invested by the Webmaster to create Showfolks website, for which the Webmaster has not been paid a dime. I do understand the cost to maintain a website. It is my opinion, Showfolks Board of Directors, and members, need to become correctly informed to work out how to fund continuing development and maintenance of Showfolks website.

Penny Wilson, Showfolks 2^nd VP, Member of Showfolks Board of Directors
May the entire World be a Circus World�

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:33:16 -0600
From:	Anthony Maroney <InLomb317@msn.com>

I, Anthony Maroney, do go along with other Circus Fans that Showfolks does not discontinue the website. You have valued information that we the Circus Fans would like to keep up to date with thru Showfolks website. Yours in due Respect.

Anthony Maroney, Circus Fan, 828 School Court, Lombard, IL 60148

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:09:38 -0500
From:	Diane Brown <DianeLea@comcast.net>

Diane Brown, Secretary, Temporary Treasurer, Showfolks Board or Directors, Showfolks Voting Member 21 Years
See you at the Showfolks Circus Saturday December 10th

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:48:46 EST
From:	RngMstr55@aol.com

Please don't discontinue the website. I live in Delaware now, and don't get to hear from many Showfolks. Showfolks website helps me keep up on things. I have to agree with Bunni. and the other folks, this is 2005 and the internet is a BIG part of it!

Good Luck to all my friends.

Dick Dykes, Dykes Bros.

Subject:	Showfolks.org Web Site Response?
Date:	Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:06:44 +0000
From:	few@att.net

As world wide performers and travelers, many fellow performers and proprietors all over the world have remarked to us how wonderful the website is and how much they all appreciate it. It is also a great tool for informing prospective members what we are about and how to find us. We truly enjoy reading it. Please keep Showfolks website.

Fred and Sue Menke (Showfolks Members)

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:20:27 -0500
From:	Mireille <marnosi@comcast.net>
To:	<webmaster@showfolks.org>

PLEASE LET ME CLEAR IT UP THE NONSENSE OF DISCONTINUE. IT WAS SAID THE WEBSITE WAS DUE AND I MIREILLE THERON ARNOSI SAID NO WAYS TO DISCONTINUED. IT WAS BELOW 300.00 DOLLAR. FOR THE YEAR . AND, IF WE CAN PAY 350.00 FOR MUSIC, THAT NOT TO MANY PEOPLE DANCE TO FOR ONE NIGHT, I MAKE THE MOTION TO KEEP IT... AND, IT WAS SECONDED, AND YES .YES .YES. WE DO HAVE THE WEB AND IT WON'T BE DISCONTINUED. YOURS TRULY,

MIREILLE THERON ARNOSI, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, Showfolks Voting Member 40 Years

Subject:	Showfolks.org Web Site Response?
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:39:57 EST
From:	Bevbergero@aol.com

The Showfolks need the web site. We live in Orlando, Fla. but drive over for special events. For some reason, getting dates and times of events becomes a problem. The web site will stop all of that, and save on phone calls. See you down the road!

Bev Bergeron - aka Rebo the Clown (Showfolks Member) www.BevBergeron.com

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:48:49 -0500
From:	Pete and Shirley Adams <circusp@comcast.net>

Definitely a link for fans and circus folks around the world. Don't let it go for any reason.

Pete Adams (Showfolks Member)
Pete and Shirley Adams, circusp@comcast.net � Circus Adams
Southern Vice President Circus Fans Association of America, www.circusfans.org

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:41:58 EST
From:	Dpowhitetiger@aol.com

Bunni Bartok said exactly what I have been thinking. Discontinue? This is 2005, and soon to be 2006. Anyone that would suggest discontinuing Showfolks website should reevaluate their thoughts. Absolutely, positively, CONTINUE without question? Even Buckles Woodcock has his own Blog that we all start our day with. I went on record last year with my thoughts regarding Showfolks web site, and they haven't changed. Keep up the good work. Keep the doors to Showfolks OPEN...

David P. Orr (Showfolks Voting Member 5 Years)

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:07:03 EST
From:	Oujed@aol.com

The Website should definitely be continued. Most people are aware of the importance of the Internet. It is therefore important to keep it updated...The way it is now, still in 2004, is not exactly a complement to Showfolks. Board of directors and active members of the Club must agree and approve of anything that goes into the Website using Showfolks of Sarasota name. Suggestions, comments, and ideas from active and social members should be welcomed.

Fatima (Wazzan) Brahim (Showfolks Voting Member 18 Years)

Subject:	Re: Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:26:38 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From:	Ed Sheehan / Ray Swiess <tuffiisdads@comcast.net>

Showfolks Website is one of the best projects the Board of Directors, and current President Pedro Mural, adopted during their 2 years in office. This Website offers the club membership, and others, information about Showfolks of Sarasota, the club's purpose, and events that are taking place in Sarasota FL. Too much erroneous and sometimes slanted comments about the club, and some members, is conveyed through unnecessary gossip by a few members and individuals who seem to have self-serving egos or axes to grind. Showfolks Website is credible, factual, and informative, and should be continued to inform those have sincere interest in Circus!.

Ed Sheehan (Showfolks Member)
Past Director

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 2005 02:33:26 EST
From:	BUNNIB1@aol.com

To Whom It May Concern,

How sad, one of the most positive aspects of Showfolks of Sarasota may be discontinued due to lack of understanding the importance of the internet. Knowledge that Showfolks of Sarasota even exists today is very limited. If new members are wanted, one of the best ways to make them aware of the unique opportunity to join one of the most interesting Social Clubs in the world is through the internet. Perhaps a Social Membership would be a positive part of Showfolks Membership Application. Those members would take no part in the business aspect of the Club, no voting rights, no membership meetings, no officer or board membership. Only Social activities, volunteer privileges, and access to the club when it is open. I feel the Webmaster has done an outstanding job overall and it would be very foolish to discontinue Showfolks beautiful and informative website. If changes should be made to the website, discuss it, and do it. Don't destroy it just because some do not understand its importance and possibilities.
Sincerely,

Bunni Bartok (Showfolks member)

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:31:25 -0500
From:	FLYERLIZ@webtv.net (Elizabeth Stewart)

NO! Please keep it. I think it's great! Life is a Circus!
Elizabeth Stewart, Showfolks Voting Member 17 Years

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:59:47 -0500
From:	Mireille <marnosi@comcast.net>

No, not at all should the website be discontinued. It is an asset to the new Internet world... Yours Truly,

Mireille Theron Arnosi, Showfolks Director, Showfolks Voting Member 40 Years)

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:08:07 -0500
From:	JACKIELECLAIRE@webtv.net (Jackie LeClaire)

I think the website gives so much prestige to the Showfolks Club and I am always so very proud to have other people and friends look at the site. Everything in the world today is channeled through the internet, and we as Showfolks need to be a part of the world of today.

Jackie LeClaire, Showfolks Voting Member 41 Years)

http://community.webtv.net/JACKIELECLAIRE/JACKIELECLAIREClown
http://community.webtv.net/JACKIELECLAIRE/ClownPhotosJackie

Subject:	Should Showfolks Website be Discontinued?
Date:	Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:01:00 EST
From:	Jvr2626@aol.com

I have one problem with the page, it is not kept up to date. I think it is a terrific asset to the club. I have gone in several times to find out what is going on. If kept up to date it is the only contact many members out of town have to the club. If many individuals today have their website I don't see how this club could afford not to have one. It is a beautiful website, it belongs along with the websites of the Circuses.

Jim & Angie Rhoney, Showfolks Voting Member 5 Years

From:   Buckles Woodcock
Sent:   Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:17 AM
Re:  Showfolks Circus

My wife and I went down to Sarasota last night to see the Showfolks Circus, mainly to see the Pages family elephant and cat act which we had never seen before. Well worth the trip, the acts presented by good looking young people and the stock well groomed and cared for. They worked with no muss, no fuss and a credit to the business.

Actually the whole show was entertaining, I don't think there was an act in the program I had seen before, mostly Russians I believe. Tommy Baker was the Ring Master and his introduction of the acts in the King's English had a nice flair. Schlarbaum played the come-in but we were subjected to a variety of dirges, requiems and bongo drums on tape for the rest of the program which ,of course, is the fashion today.

They had a chap that performed on a unicycle that had no seat, just pedals. He would vault from one to another. A 10 year old drop-juggler that was very good also. Three ring aerial display. Two Russian lady contortionists and an act consisting of three people who skinnied up and down a vertical pole. Tommy introduced them as having just come from the Big Apple Circus which was unnecessary since their drab, pastel colored wardrobe and lack of glitz and glamour was a dead giveaway.

The act that everyone talked about however was the Russian goose act. By that I mean that the lady in the Mother Hubbard costume was Russian and the geese came from wherever geese come from. After eight minutes there was no doubt in anyone's mind that you can train a goose to walk up a ramp and down the other side.

The highlight of the evenings entertainment, as always, came after the show at the Club where Col.. Herriott and myself administered wise counsel.

Buckles Woodcock, Showfolks Voting Member 31 Years

Subject: Showfolks.org Web Site Response
Date:     Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:37:34 EDT
From:    Dpowhitetiger@aol.com
Re:     Showfolks Web Site & Board of Directors

Probably one of the best web sites, I have seen... I believe this has to be one of the BEST Board of directors I have seen in years...
Keep up the good work. Circusly,

David Orr, Showfolks Voting Member 5 Years

Subject: Showfolks.org Feedback Form
Date:      Wed 27 Oct 2004 12:49:41
From:      Drawls@kellymillercircus.com on
Re:      Showfolks Web Site

Great Job! Very nice web site.

David Rawls, Kelly Miller Circus - Showfolks Member - http://www.kellymillercircus.com

Subject: Re: Showfolks Website Inquiry
Date:     Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:00:56 -0400
From:      Joe Giordano <jgiorda@optonline.net>
Re:     Showfolks Stardom of Fame

Although Circus Model Builders, Circus Fans, Circus Historical Society, or Windjammers have not worked in the industry, many feel very close to it. Many individuals belonging to these organizations, as well as belonging to Showfolks in their own way, work hard to keep the public "Circus Minded".

Here are some examples:

Circus Model Builders display their models to keep up interest in the circus. Many times they display their models in conjunction with a circus appearing in their area to help promote ticket sales.

Circus Historical Society members increase awareness by displaying memorabilia, speaking to senior groups, presenting talks about the circus to school groups, and those that research help to put the history of the circus in order for generations in the future.

Circus Windjammers help to keep great old time circus music on the public's mind which also helps to promote the industry. Many are musicians who get together and put on circus music concerts to promote the industry, or a particular show.

Circus Fans, just by their motto "We Fight Anything That Fights the Circus", support the industry. Of course there are good, and not so good, members of the above organizations. But overall, I know many who promote the industry, assist shows and show people, helping in any way they can. These are friends of the industry, and those who are (Showfolks) club members should have an opportunity to be recognized by Showfolks.

I belong to the CFA Felix Adler Tent, which is out of New Jersey. Recently we had a dinner and we all got together. Jack Beebe was in attendance representing the OABA Circus Fund. He brought along about 20 OABA circus fund pins. A $12.00 dollar donation to the fund got you a pin. He collected over $300 for the fund. An auction was held for circus memorabilia with proceeds from the auction going to this fund as well. I think over $600 was raised. This made for a nice donation to the OABA Circus fund.

Many times , Circus fans and others help shows coming into their hometown, are called upon to run errands, help bill posting, find medical care for performers, find vets, and help by working with a sponsor. Some have also attended town or city meetings defending the animal presentation issues faced today by the whole industry. The list can go on and on. I know, I have been there.

A suggestion: There is a (Showfolks Stardom of Fame) Gold Star, and a Silver Star. Might it be possible for a Bronze Star to be added for "Circus Friends" or "Circus Supporters". Just an idea. I hope to meet up with you as I am planning a trip to be in Sarasota December 1st through the 6th. I am proud to be a member of Showfolks. I am good friends with the Logan Family. Omi sponsored my membership.

I hope Showfolks board considers adding something that would recognize our members who although not in the industry have and continue to work hard to help promote it, combat opposition to it, and support in every way they can.

Thank you for your time and consideration
Circusly yours,

Joe Giordano, Showfolks Associate Member 5 Years

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